Unlock Your Happiness Series
Interviewing experts in their field to find out from them what makes them happy. The podcast will be multi faceted talking about their personal and professional life and the journey they have taken whilst underpinning hot they have created happiness from within.
Sharing tips, techniques and tools to help each listener Unlock Their Happiness.
Unlock Your Happiness Series
Episode 21: Madoka Davis- Sushi, Self-Discovery & Second Chances
What if happiness isn't something we achieve but something we learn to notice? This profound insight lies at the heart of Madoka's remarkable journey from Kyoto, Japan to becoming a Japanese food cooking coach in Kent, England.
At 28, despite having all the external markers of success, Madoka felt suffocated by Japan's social expectations and yearned for the freedom to truly be herself. Her search led her to New Zealand where a chance meeting with an Englishman in a youth hostel would change the course of her life. Nineteen years later, she reflects on how this path brought her to create Petite Roll – a business named after her parents' bakery that offers Japanese cooking lessons both in-person and online.
But this conversation goes far beyond cooking. Madoka opens up about her struggle to find happiness despite building a successful business. Overwhelmed by juggling multiple commitments – working at a supermarket, running her business, studying for exams, maintaining a garden, and raising two daughters – she reached a breaking point where she realized something had to change.
Her breakthrough came through discovering human design and learning she was a "reflector" – someone who mirrors others' energy rather than generating their own. This revelation explained why she'd spent years feeling inadequate when comparing herself to her monk-like, perpetually kind mother. "I almost didn't like myself," she confesses, before describing the freedom that came with understanding her true nature.
Perhaps most moving is Madoka's reflection on surviving breast cancer ten years ago. Through journaling, she recently confronted her mastectomy scar – which she had somehow managed not to truly see for years – and recognized it as part of the second chance she'd been given.
Today, Madoka finds joy in simple practices: solitary walks in the woodland (notably not the beach), journaling, and exercise. She sees her cooking lessons as offering others "a piece of happiness" through food – a universal connector that builds community. Her wisdom reminds us that true happiness often lies not in what we achieve but in developing "the eye to see" the beauty already surrounding us.
Jenny Williams
Consultant for Calm- Helping You Find Calm in the Chaos
Founder of The Calm Collective & The Calm Connected.Host of the Unlock Your Happiness Series Podcast. Based in Kent, London & the South East, bringing women together through meaningful conversations and soulful networking. Mum, Wife & Freelancer: I’m navigating the chaos just like you, while learning to embrace the calm along the way.
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Hello and welcome to Unlock your Happiness series. I'm Jenny Williams and I'm here today with the lovely Madoka. Hello, hello, jenny, so lovely. I can't wait to hear your story and I love what you do. So first, well, who are you, what do you do? And tell us about you.
Speaker 2:Okay. Well, first of all, thank you very much for having me. Oh, you're welcome. This is my first podcast. Yeah, very much for having me. Oh, you're welcome. This is my first podcast, so I'm a bit nervous, but I'm so excited too. So I'm Madoka. I'm a Japanese food cooking coach and my business is called Petite Roll, which provides Japanese food cooking lesson in person. Mainly, it's in my kitchen. Also, I go to client's house, I go into the event demonstration and team building and also I have got an online membership. It's called Kizuna Kitchen and we do a monthly online cooking lesson and also more to share. So there is a community which is a big part.
Speaker 2:I always wanted to create.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so everyone that loves Japanese food nowadays. Yes, literally there's not a sushi bar around this joint where we are, so it's beautiful that Madoka does it, and I think a lot of the time we want to know how to cook it, but it seems quite daunting, doesn Absolutely. Especially for those that are specialists and know how to do it.
Speaker 1:So not only can people learn it online, they can come to your beautiful kitchen, which is in Kent, by the way. So if you're local to Kent, you can come down and, yeah, it's just wonderful that you're enabling people to learn how to cook. I don't think there's anyone well, I don't know of anyone that does what you do, so thank you for creating it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I think I, I don't know. Uh, in this area there are a few people in London, but not in this end.
Speaker 1:So yeah and so you're gonna just grow and expand and it's gonna blow up once people find out about the hidden talent of Madoka, that's for sure, fantastic yeah so how tell me your story? How did you get here? How did you get to the point that you are now? What's your journey? Maybe you can go all the way back to childhood. You can go back to leaving school, whatever you feel comfortable to talk about.
Speaker 2:So I was born and bred in Kyoto, japan. So 19 years ago I moved to England. It's because I met an English guy in New Zealand. Oh, wow, yeah. So 20 years ago I was in New Zealand and I was traveling. So the reason I was in New Zealand at that time so I was 28 and I loved Japan and Japanese got all of that but that was the time I start feeling uncomfortable. I didn't feel I fit in, yeah, and I needed my own space really, or like just to be me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, find your identity a little bit.
Speaker 2:28 and I had the 28th and I had a job, I had friends, I had so many hobbies but I didn't sort of go into there was something niggling kind of thing that you wanted to. Yeah, or like I wasn't going to settle just yet. Yeah, but then it was, it wasn't really to do with my family, it was more to do with Japanese society. Okay, you know, like, you know, like when you're going to settle in, when you're going to get married, when you're going to it was a little bit too much and I didn't need that.
Speaker 1:And I thought, right, I'm leaving and I'm going to find I'm getting out of this joint yeah.
Speaker 2:so what I did was and I got one year working holiday visa in New Zealand and I also had one year working holiday visa to go to Australia after. So I wasn't going back to Japan for two years. That was my plan. So then off I went to New Zealand and that was one of the best time I had. I still hold on to that feeling I had, and so first four weeks I booked a place to stay because just to ease my parents mind, because I needed to make sure that you know they knew where you were going to be and secure and all that.
Speaker 1:That's right.
Speaker 2:But the whole thing was I wanted to just go with flow, yeah, so I didn't plan anything. I didn't have enough money to go through the whole two years, yeah, but because that visa allowed me to work. So I went there. And then I stay in a little town called Omaru, south part of the island, and I met great people and when it's so small, when you want something, you just say it and then they will find you. Oh, I know this person and I know that. And then I just I got the accommodation, I got the job. Oh wow, I bought the car.
Speaker 2:That was was 1978 old Toyota Corolla. They didn't even have the paint on it anymore, but that worked. And even I managed to sell the car when I was leaving New Zealand. So it was to do with all the connection I had. So I was really lucky. How beautiful, yeah, in that environment. And so I was in one place for about five months and decided to move to see different parts of New Zealand. And here he was. I met my future husband in a youth hostel, and you know, when you are in a youth hostel, quite often people are on their own, so you kind of share the food or story or whatever in the kitchen area. So I had a bottle of wine, although I don't really drink.
Speaker 2:It was a whole bottle. But I don't drink, but I know how things work, so I wanted to share with people around. And he was there, some French people there. We just got together and then have a really good chat and because I had a car, I carry on traveling from the other side of the island. And then he was traveling from the other side and a few days after we bumped into each other at the different city and then we started traveling together for about four weeks and then it got to the point that because I didn't have enough money, I need to find another job, and he was just traveling like a wild ticket. So he started from Hong Kong, australia, New Zealand, and then he then went to Fiji, america, and went back to England. But we carry on contacting. And so then the point that am I going to Australia or am I coming to England?
Speaker 1:and here I am, 19 years, years, oh my goodness, yeah, that's almost like a story that you see on the films, isn't it? Like you meet travelling, and then you fall in love and then you move to this new place. Oh, it sounds so idyllic and lovely. Well, no, maybe it wasn't, but it's nice to think that it was.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was a really nice time and I just went by flow and that's how I end up here, which I'm really happy. So the green, that is a big part. Being in nature is a big part of me. I feel so comfortable. That's something that you could get in Japan, but maybe where I was living it wasn't so easy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's quite built up.
Speaker 2:It is, yeah, so I'm really happy. Also, that society. It's not in a funny way, but here in England people care about themselves in a good way, Because what I felt when I was in Japan it wasn't much to do with parents, but it's a society. So you really have to think of what other people think of you. I wasn't there during the pandemic time, but what happened over there was people were wearing masks and that's gone well over, and then even the government said you don't need to wear the mask anymore but, people carry on.
Speaker 2:So when that happened, one you don't need to wear the mask anymore. Yeah, but people carry on. So when that happened, one person don't wear mask. You will feel it this. You know the feeling from the surroundings.
Speaker 1:Yeah, everyone's looking at you. Yeah, they're only thinking of themselves.
Speaker 2:They're not wearing it, just that kind of culture.
Speaker 1:It's probably suffocating, I'd imagine.
Speaker 2:Yes, I think that's what it was. So move to this country.
Speaker 1:You've got freedom and nature, and now you've got lots of politics.
Speaker 2:This is rubbish, but hey, that's in your control.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I am very happy being in this country and living here and you bring your wonderful talents to this company. Company, country, country, yeah oh thank you.
Speaker 2:So now I live with my two daughters teenage daughter, don't go too far and then my husband and then dog. So yeah, it's really good.
Speaker 1:Oh amazing, oh, what a lovely journey. So what was the pivot point for you of starting your own business and really showcasing your talents?
Speaker 2:So you might notice, my business is called petite roll, yeah, and that picture doesn't really do with japanese food, doesn't it? But that was the name of the baker, a bakery that my parents used to run in japan. So that was my background, although I didn't really work with my parents in the bakery it's only some occasion, yeah, but that was my background, and when I I really wanted to do my own business, that was in my mind for long, long time. I didn't know what it was, but when I moved to here, the one thing I really missed was my dad's bread. Yeah, at that time he the business was already gone and then he was moving on to something else, but that bread I really missed so much and I couldn't get anywhere.
Speaker 2:I tried so many different bakeries because it looks very similar but when. I had it, it wasn't. And then I start making by myself yeah, um, but at that time he already had a dementia, so I couldn't ask him the recipe or anything at that time. So I was sort of trying, you know different recipes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I couldn't get the closer one talking about that recipe anyway. So that's where my business came, but that recipe I'm talking about. So my dad passed away 10 years ago and at that time I still didn't have that recipe. But two years after my mom accidentally found the files of the recipe that my father kept. Oh my gosh, I know. And then one of that bread that I just admire, that is a milk loaf. Yeah, it was there and since then that was it and then I can make it it. It's slightly different because obviously different kind of culture, not culture the country yeah, so yeah different flowers, so I have to adjust a little bit.
Speaker 2:But that was my Dutch bread. Now I can make anytime.
Speaker 2:I want fantastic, isn't it? And I wanted yeah, I wanted to share that to. I want people to know how good the Japanese breads are. So that's how I started my business. I wanted to teach instead of doing as a bakery. Yes, yeah, so that's how I started. It's actually coming up to 10 years. I know this October it's going to be 10 years. So the bread making lesson was the beginning, but then gradually, I noticed that people's interest in Japanese food not necessarily bread, lots of Japanese food. So I started doing more of the Japanese cooking lesson as well. Yeah, yeah. And then during the pandemic, I couldn't do any lesson. So then these like taking sushi orders that part of the business coming into the part of my business.
Speaker 2:So I still keep doing this, but during that time it was so busy I could imagine I know that people needed to book two, three months in advance. That was crazy, oh my goodness, yeah. So I think quite often.
Speaker 1:I bet you just ran off your feet though.
Speaker 2:I bet you were exhausted, weren't you? It was, and at that time I was also working on my plate. Yeah, and then I was also doing GCSE maths at that time. How crazy was that? I just Just had something on just had something onto the list that you need to do as well I know, and that's the point, talking about the happiness really no-transcript myself plus happiness, and I didn't really know quite well myself and how to feel happy. So I just tried more of this, more of that, but I didn't release any of it.
Speaker 1:I just kept it.
Speaker 2:I had a lot of men as well, and I love growing vegetables, so it was too much and daughters Mary just had two daughters to deal with as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, just to add that as a side side piece.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it was quite chaotic yeah um, but then one point I said to my husband that I'm not happy. I'm trying all these different things but I'm still not happy. And he said to me because you keeping everything you need to let something go. Yeah, which I never thought. Why I didn't? It's a simple thing, but I didn't and I start thinking, okay, why can't I let it go? First thing was allotment.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So I had allotment for seven years and I loved it yeah.
Speaker 1:Because yeah.
Speaker 2:Because you know, being with nature, touching the soil, that smell arctic smell. That is something I really love, but I wasn't looking after.
Speaker 1:So in the end, kind of I was kicked out because I got so many warnings I'm not looking after, yeah, but you've probably done that because it's better for them to kick you off than it is for you to make the decision. Maybe that's what it was. Okay, let's keep it that way.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, allotments gone and the GCSE math was obviously after the exam that was gone. And then also I start thinking should I leave supermarket job Because that was the core part of me being in this country. So when I moved to this country I didn't know anyone else than my husband. When I moved to this country, I didn't know anyone else than my husband. So with raising my children I kind of created you know where.
Speaker 1:I belong A community, yeah, a community.
Speaker 2:So that supermarket work was a very important part of me Also picking up language that was also. I still have got this fear now, but I'm talking with you on a podcast so.
Speaker 1:I have. You've broken that barrier. Now I have. Yeah, but I'm talking with you on a podcast.
Speaker 2:So I have you've broken that barrier I have.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm doing well, you've not even flinched. It's brilliant, I am doing well, but yeah so uh so did you stop the supermarket then?
Speaker 2:in the end, so three years ago I decided to leave. Yeah, it was a big decision for me because I thought that will be the core part of me that I'm gonna keep until you know, I retire. But I decided so that was a big fear because I have to create this space that I can communicate with people by myself without any that support also the financial yeah so I decided to keep my business, and then I become fully self-employed. So that was three years ago wow and are you happy? Now I am.
Speaker 2:I am, I can say that happy, but when I started as a fully self-employed, I wasn't what. What I felt. I was expecting everything to be more free because I released so many other things, so I should have more time and then feel free, I could just 100% go into my business. But I didn't feel that way. Why is that? Why I'm not still happy and that might like a self-discovery journey started around that time Do you do human design?
Speaker 1:I do, you do, don't you? Yes, so I'm a manifesting generator, oh same as my youngest.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm the reflector. Okay, so that was actually. That explains a lot. That's it, yeah. So yeah, human design. I don't know if everybody knows about humanism, but it's how can I say?
Speaker 1:It's like astrology and personality profiling at the same time. So it's based on your date of birth, where you were born, where the moon was sitting at that time. And yeah, I think there's five in total Is it five or six? In total, five profiles, so you're either generator, manifesting generator, projector, reflector or manifester. So, yeah, it's interesting to learn about it.
Speaker 1:So that's a whole different episode. I am going to get someone on that does human design at some point. But yeah, once you understand your human design, it does help you kind of go okay. So with you you reflect energy from people. So if you are around someone that's negative, you'll reflect negative or you'll feel that that energy absolutely, and the other way around, if you're with someone that's really positive, you reflect that positive energy. So you, you're always trying to find energy from other people.
Speaker 2:Yes, that's right but I didn't know until I'm reflector, so taking someone's energy as if it was my energy. But because it wasn't my energy, yeah, soon, sooner or later it just feels so uncomfortable and I didn't know why. And then I I felt I'm keep failing. Yeah, because now I understand that wasn't my energy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you had to release it instead of holding on to it.
Speaker 2:And so my mum was the big part of my life. So I had a really tough teenage time during secondary school. So my mum was my best friend so I didn't have anyone else to talk to. So when she said something, you know, I was quite strong, stubborn girl. So at school I never cried. I was like I put myself up Strong, independent woman yeah absolutely. But when I went back home I was in tears and you know my mum cuddled me and that sort of you know.
Speaker 2:So our bond was really strong. So she was a big part of my life. But she's like a how can I say it's like a monk. She's like a perfect in any way. She's very kind to everybody, she hardly argue and she's helping other people all the time.
Speaker 2:And I wanted to be like her. Yeah, and it always. You know, she was there and always I felt so uncomfortable, like when I was angry to my girls or my husband or environment, anything. Why can I think like my mom? Yeah, always she was there and it. So that is I almost like I didn't like myself.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you start to self-sabotage yourself and start to look inside and not like it right, yeah, but then when I found this human design, it answered me so much.
Speaker 2:So the reflector it's one of the very rare one and, as you say, reflect it's like a mirror. So I was kind of living in her way, in my mom's way of life. It wasn't my life. Yeah. When I found out, it was the relief. Yeah, so I start it's. I still have really good, great bond with my mom but, yeah, I can just step back and see. It's this hard way of seeing things or life or is that my own, yeah? So knowing that made me such a difference.
Speaker 1:It's crazy, isn't it? And do you think that's one of the elements that then enabled you to find happiness? Because you was like I now know who I am Absolutely, so I can now find my happiness to a degree.
Speaker 2:Absolutely am. So I can now find my happiness to a degree, absolutely so. Um, also I am. So the authority is twofold, so that it's hamid, uh, opportunist. Yeah, so I'm like up to the opposite. I always felt I'm slightly different. I wanted to be in a group or community, but I also wanted to be alone quite often, and now I understand, being you know like a comfortable environment. It's so important for me.
Speaker 2:So, now, thinking back, left Japan, moved to New Zealand, come to here. It was just I was finding my own environment where I feel comfortable. Yeah, yeah. So it's just, it kind of makes sense.
Speaker 1:If only you knew at the time right, but you're always meant to be exactly. You're exactly where you should be as they say, isn't it, and everything will happen as it should? Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2:Amazing.
Speaker 1:So what tools and things do you do now to sustain that happiness? So what do you do now to to sustain that happiness.
Speaker 2:So what do you do? Kind of yeah, so still I'm finding, um, my, you know me really. I'm still in that journey, but I'm much, much happier now. So one thing I could say is at that time I thought happiness was a goal like achievement.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you need to do something to be happy or get happy, yeah right, which is what society kind of almost makes us think yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2:So like the house wasn't really like a. It's a big thing. But for some people, maybe to get the dream house make you happy, but it's not. And when I realized that that was to do with this journaling or this, you know the human design, one of the parts as well. But, yeah, actually happiness it's around you all the time. Yeah, you just need to find that eye to see or like a sense to feel, and how I do so you have got to. I think everybody has got different tools for me. Being being in nature it's a big thing, yeah, so I go for a walk on my own. That time it's very important. I have to do it on my own. I can't even take my Bailey, my dog. Yeah, it has to be my zone. So then when I'm a little bit overwhelmed, just need to leave.
Speaker 1:Yeah, ground yourself as they say, absolutely.
Speaker 2:And I start seeing the tiny bit of happiness around and it makes me so much at ease. Yeah, you don't need to chase.
Speaker 1:Yes, you don't need to feel. You just need to see it with different eyes, almost, don't you? Or a different pair of sunglasses on, and just stick those glasses on and you see it around you without even thinking, isn't it? Absolutely. Sometimes it's as little as like when the birds fly in and they do something and then they fly off, and it's really funny. You might not see that, but if you look at it you'll see it, isn't it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely, and it makes you smile. No-transcript. And my mission, or my passion even, is like giving them a piece of happiness. So how I could do that is through cooking. Yes, because I love cooking.
Speaker 1:Cooking brings so much happiness.
Speaker 2:right, Absolutely Because it is a fuel you need to eat. Food is a fuel, but there is more than that. So when you connect with people, you always have got food in front of you. Whether you go to a restaurant or you get together, food is always there. It connects you and that element I really enjoy. So when people come to my lesson and seeing that, you know the joy, yeah, they find that moment or gain confidence or that thing. You see that, yeah, and that gives me happiness, but I'm also giving that happiness to them. So, yeah, yeah, that's my mission food is a wonderful tool.
Speaker 1:Right, food is a wonderful thing that yeah and you're right most of the time that you're meeting with someone, there's some sort of food included, isn't it? I never really thought of that before. Yeah, but food does connect, food brings happiness, because people love food in general, but to be able to give them the gift of being able to make the food that they love is like another layer of it is it is, so that's my online.
Speaker 2:So one of my online membership members told me the other day so she really looking forward to have a monthly online cooking lessons. So, she loves cooking anyway. So just you know understanding different way of cooking in Japanese. Yeah, the methods and stuff yes she really enjoy, but she also said that that also impact her another part of life. So she's, you know, she just general thing. She's more happy. She's also conscious about how to eat.
Speaker 1:She's giving something to herself, isn't it? Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2:And then I'm so grateful that I was on the path of that bit yeah you was the impact of that.
Speaker 1:So yeah, that's why I really love doing it and that's why you're going to be a huge success. I know you're still in in the in motion of believing in yourself, in that absolutely yeah, that's true, um no what you do is brilliant. Oh, thank you. So what would you say is the one thing that our listeners could do today that would help them unlock their happiness?
Speaker 2:so, as I said earlier, the happiness is not a goal. It's always around you. So you need to find, you need to have eye to see. So I mentioned that. My way is walking, be in nature, especially the woodland. The beach doesn't give me the same feeling, somehow, my husband not be in beach, but I love being in the wood. I think you're one or the other.
Speaker 1:I do believe that because I'm more of a woodland nature than a beach. I love the sound of the waves, oh, I see, but I'm not a fan of the sand and things like that. I think it's the fact that it goes so far out that it's almost like you can get lost looking so far out, whereas with the woodland there's nature literally just by your foot, yeah, yeah, and there's stuff growing and there's wildlife happening right there, whereas the sea you can't see the fish, you can't see the stuff that's under the sea and, to be honest, the sea freaks me out.
Speaker 2:I'm not a sea swimmer.
Speaker 1:if I'm honest, I have got a fear of water. God has created the sea and all the animals in it. He does not need me in it because that's not where we live.
Speaker 2:No, totally, Totally. I totally agree with you. So yeah, being in nature, it's my way of the tool. I also do journaling now and then. That at some point helped me a lot. One thing was so I had breast cancer. That is 10 years ago, and then it was not interesting, but when me and my husband was in a consultant room to be, you know, told what I had, I felt, oh, this is my time to go through it.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Because the cancer wasn't really new you hear so many stories that everybody has and then I just felt okay, that it's my time and it wasn't early stage. So it got to the lymph node, so I had mastectomy and then I had lymph node, so I took, you know, had a whole treatment, oh gosh. But yeah, I just felt okay, this is my time, just go through it. Yeah. On the other hand, my husband next to me, he was in tears, yeah, so he took in a different way. In fact, people said to me that I was so brave going through all this. No, I wasn't. I was given all this treatment, I just did what they gave me yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:My husband was the one who suffered more. Yeah, he had to go. So at that time my girls were really young, three and six years old. Oh gosh, yeah. And then I haven't got you know my side of family in this country, so it was really tough.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But we've been supported with you know the family and friends you know the family and friends. So yeah, we were lucky, but how I dealt was I just didn't want to talk about this part of me until last year. So every anniversary I talk about it, I reflect how grateful I am and I'm the lucky one to be still here, but I didn't want to think about that.
Speaker 2:I didn't want to talk about that too much because, you know, I didn't want people to think oh, you know, opposing you did oh, yeah, I didn't need that, yeah, and, but then until last year it was through the journaling, yes, and I thought you opened the box of the conversation certainly yeah when I when I look at mirror, so I have a massive scar. I didn't do a reconstruction. I had a massive scar now, but every day I didn't actually see myself. Human is clever, isn't it? You want to see what you want to see. You hear what you want to hear.
Speaker 1:Yeah, brain, yeah.
Speaker 2:I didn't see that scar until last year during journaling, and I realized this was the second chance I was given. I have to raise it and this massive scar is part of me. Yeah, now, now, because that's why I'm here. Yeah now. So I just every day now, yeah, I look at myself and you know and you live with intention, absolutely yeah. So it took nine years to realize that. Yeah, I kind of kept that part in the past.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we like to put things in boxes and leave them up on the shelves and then every so often they do fall off yes, don't they and open up, and then you kind of go, oh God, okay. So the more we look after the boxes and let the feelings out, the actual freer we become as well, isn't it oh?
Speaker 2:I see, yeah, so journaling definitely helped me the walking journaling exercise going to the gym also. Sometimes when I'm a little bit overwhelmed when I'm doing the machine work, I'm in tears, but that's how I release and then I get back to me again.
Speaker 1:So yeah, q2, that is my tool, and they're simple tools that everyone can do.
Speaker 2:They're all technically free, we can all go for a walk we can all write something down on a bit of paper.
Speaker 1:It doesn't have to be committed with a cost absolutely and that's the wonderful thing, isn't it? It's like the best things are free, as they say, in to a degree, yeah anything.
Speaker 2:so just you need to step back where you are, like maybe crochet, I don't know, I don't do much, but you know anything that you feel. Just step outside and see things from one step out, and then you will suddenly notice. You know when I'm walking just you know sun coming through between the branches, oh I felt like that this week.
Speaker 1:The sun was shining. I was like just let it shine on your face and just appreciate the fact that we've been sitting in the cold for so long. It's just so wonderful to just take a moment to be like the sun is actually shining and the nights are now longer so it's brilliant, but um, yeah, I 100% agree with you and such great tips and tools and stuff and it's wonderful to hear your story and how you got to where you are and and what, what you're kind of looking to do next.
Speaker 1:So tell us, what can people, where can people find you? What's your next thing on offer?
Speaker 2:okay. So, um, I'm normally on instagram and facebook and I'm just doing linkedin so you can find my account there and so you can go to my website, petitrollcouk, and that's where you find all my in-person lessons, and demonstration is coming in April, so I try to be visible in area Kent. So, yeah, and now we are here. Now. If you are interested ordering sushi also, that's good.
Speaker 1:Brilliant, and we'll put all these details on the notes section so people can get hold of you and follow up, and I would 100% recommend what she does. She's a brilliant person and we're so lucky to have her in Kent. She's just this little gem that no one knows about yet.
Speaker 2:Thank you, Jenny.
Speaker 1:I'm not going to tell everyone, please do. Thank you so much for coming in. Thank you so much for your time and your stories and you didn't need to be nervous. She was absolutely brilliant, thank you so much for your first podcast.
Speaker 1:You've done a brilliant job, well done, thank you very much. Thank you so much for listening. We really do appreciate it. Um, yeah, send, send your questions in any feedback that you've got, let us know. And uh, madoka has been an absolutely brilliant guest. So thank you so much for listening. Send in love and stay happy.